The Counter to the Counter to the Scheitelhau

In Ringeck and Pseudo-Peter von Danzig have a technique for breaking Alber, the Fool’s guard using the Scheitelhau. There is some dispute about how to do it, but the counter to this is explicitly described as kron.

The counter to kron is to wind the sword and thrust at the breast. This is where the section ends. But elsewhere we see this passage:

When you fence against him from low strikes or out of a strike, or stand against him in the guard named Fool, if he feints then with the sword onto yours as and when you so come forth, then stay low with your sword on his and lift upward, if he winds on the sword bringing his point at your face or chest, then don’t let him come off the sword and from there follow after him to work your point to the next opening.

— Pseudo-Peter von Danzig translated by Mike Rasmusson

Using this passage requires two assumptions.

  1. The Scheitelhau is used as a feint.
  2. Kron can be described as “stay low with your sword on his and lift upward”

If these assumptions hold true, the counter to kron is winding and the counter to that is your own winding.

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2 Responses to The Counter to the Counter to the Scheitelhau

  1. snagaronkishi says:

    I don’t think “velt er dir…” means “if he feints at you” but rather “if he *falls* on you”. Not er fehlt, but er fällt, in modern spelling (it sounds about the same either way).

    I would translate this passage as “…if he falls on your sword with his before you can bring it back up, then stay like that with your sword underneath, against his, and lift upward. Then, if he winds his point in to your face or chest on the sword, don’t let him off the sword, and follow after on it, and work with the point to the next opening.”

    I don’t know if it’s related to Kron at all, that’s an interesting idea though.

    • Grauenwolf says:

      The wording “falls on you” does make a lot of sense here. My Scheitelhau can be described as either way, but for others the Scheitelhau is definitely not a feint but could be described as a fall.

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