Fechtkunst Update – Codex Wallerstein

The index for Codex Wallerstein is up. For the longsword section, we’ve added a correlation between its plays and those in Wiktenauer’s Nuremberg Group presentation.

For each manuscript we’re now going to include a “compilation” page. This will be used for lengthy videos which have research value but show too many techniques to easily index.

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5 Responses to Fechtkunst Update – Codex Wallerstein

  1. Joe says:

    How similer is codex Wallerstein to KDF?
    I read a little on this over on ARMA’s site and a few other blogs and what not but I am curious how comparable they are in your opinion?

    There are quite a few KDF based schools around my area but thats it really. Both systems are German but from what ive read Codex Wallerstein is not based on Leitchenauer’s teachings.

    Is the footwook, gaurds ,etc the same?

    How does the grappling look in comparison to KDF?

    So far the things that ive read have been:

    ▪ the principles of Vor, Indes, and Nach apply to Codex Wallerstein.

    • There are no master cuts such as in the Leichtenauer system.

    • Techniques such as the Verzuckter Hau (twitched strike) or Waage ( balanced fighting position) stance do not appear in Liechtenauer or Ringeck. 

    • The familiar actions of Oberhau, Unterhau, the Hengen , and Schwertnemen from Talhoffer’s work are in this system. Seizures, pommel strikes, and Halb-Schwert are also visible.

    Is there anyother significant differences between these systems?

    Also, very cool blog. This place place is chalk full of interesting info, too bad I didnt run across it before it slowed way down like this.

    • Grauenwolf says:

      While not the same tradition, Wallerstein is definitely compatible with KDF. If you presented a play, I doubt most people could even tell which source it came from. And most terminology is consistent across all German sources.

      twitched strike is in RIngeck, just under a different name. He explicitly tells us to not forget about them, but doesn’t go into much detail.

      Waage is the core to all fencing systems. It isn’t well described in most, but you need to learn it or your stances will be garbage.

    • Grauenwolf says:

      Speaking of terminology, send me an email at grauenwolf@gmail.com and I’ll give you a copy of our Longsword glossary. I suspect that you will find it very valuable when cross-referencing Meyer and Ringeck.

  2. Joe says:

    Does the Wallerstein system include master cuts?

    • Grauenwolf says:

      Nope. In fact, I didn’t see a single named cut in my copy. There are cuts, but it just describes the general direction they come from.

      Wallerstein is not really a longsword manual. It’s more of a wrestling manual, with sections on wrestling empty handed, with dagger, and with various swords. Still very useful, but it won’t teach you the wide plays.

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